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Emma Thompson and Greg Wise tried IVF due to 'deep sense of shame' about infertility
Actor Greg Wise is speaking publicly about how he and his wife, actress Emma Thompson, turned to IVF after dealing with infertility — a struggle which he said made them both feel a "deep sense of shame."
Thompson and Wise began dating in 1995, and married in 2003.
They welcomed their daughter Gaia in 1999; she was conceived through in vitro fertilization (IVF) after the couple struggled with infertility. They then welcomed a son through what they call an informal "adoption" in 2003.
In a new column, Wise opened up about the guilt and grief of their infertility struggles, and how it made them feel like they were not a "proper woman" and a "proper man."
In an excerpt of his new book, "Grief Talking," published by the Guardian, Wise spoke about the couple's experience with infertility, and how the pain led them to pursue IVF for years after having one child, before ultimately "adopting" a second child.
After Thompson's first husband, actor Kenneth Branagh, brought about an end to their marriage after an affair with actress Helena Bonham Carter, Thompson began dating Wise when they met on the set of Ang Lee's "Sense and Sensibility."

Wise wrote that the couple left England for California to escape the media attention:
We went to work in Los Angeles, rented a house there, filmed projects, lived a fun life up in the hills, with a pool, a convertible sports car. Our shape now of a hopeful, creative, unfettered, adventurous, outward-looking, energised couple. But this shape could not last. We had to reshape ourselves to the realities of our lives.
And Emma now divorced, we decided it was time to come back home. After three years together, it was time to settle. It was, we decided, time to start a family.
Then the next grief hit us.
We were unable to conceive. And Emma was fast approaching 40.
Despite wanting a child, the couple found they could not conceive on their own, which Wise said made both of them feel like failures. He wrote that becoming parents is something that people are inherently expected to be able to do:
It is one of those major marking points, the end of one way of looking at life, as it is a death, in a way – a death of a possibility, a death of a new shape that had been expected, and brought both a profound grief and a deep sense of shame in its wake. A shame borne by both me and Emma, as we saw ourselves as unable to fulfill our purest and most natural role in life – to procreate.
We hit an existential crisis – it’s a given, all the stories we had read as children, telling us that girls grow up to become mothers; boys, fathers – Emma was, therefore, not a proper woman and I was not a proper man.
After undergoing testing, they found out Thompson couldn't conceive, and were told IVF was their only option. It was almost immediately successful; Wise wrote poignantly of seeing their daughter for the first time at just "four cells old."
Four weeks before we welcomed in the new millennium, we celebrated the arrival of our beautiful, healthy baby daughter Gaia, whom we’d first seen at four-cells old. Our shape had changed once more: we were now awestruck, doting parents.
They returned to IVF to have more children, but those cycles repeatedly failed. Eventually, they chose to stop trying, which he said was devastating:
The most difficult decision we had yet had to make. No result, nothing tangible, it just stopped. It had failed. Rationally, it was the only decision we could have come to – emotionally, it was untenable. We were dislocated, isolated in our overwhelming grief. I now know we were slipping into complicated grief.
Even though there can be no set timescale for processing, the myriad of feelings within the grief can expand themselves into our void of loss and become a chronic problem. This grief can consume our lives.
The precision of the grief, the focus of the loss, muddies and seeps out and, over time, if not addressed, metamorphoses into major depression. This is where it took us, an overbearing blanket of sadness covering the two of us. And we both felt so alone; we couldn’t address it as a couple, we didn’t seek help together.
They later met a Rwandan refugee and former child soldier, Tindyebwa, whose father had died of AIDS when he was nine, and whose mother and sister disappeared during the Rwandan genocide. He had been homeless as a teenager in England, and Thompson and Wise invited him to spend Christmas with their family.
Eventually, they welcomed him as a son through what they call an informal "adoption," and consider him to be part of their family now.
"The important thing, though, is that he is in our life and we are his family, and that's an absolute truth," she said in a prior interview, adding, "He's serious-minded but very funny too. We laugh a lot. And we talk a lot – we go for long walks to chat, which is lovely ... Gaia was nearly three when he arrived. He became her big brother very quickly – she adores him."
Many couples like Thompson and Wise are encouraged to turn to IVF after experiencing the heartbreak of infertility. And as one study found, Wise's description of their feelings of shame and not being a "proper" man and woman are not unusual.
There is widespread stigma surrounding infertility, both from external sources and from within. The study found that this stigma can cause problems in relationships and make women feel isolated; another study claimed that people experiencing infertility who report feelings of shame and internalize it, instead of working through it with others, report more symptoms of depression and struggle to find meaning in life.
That shame and desperation can lead people to grasp at any chance they can find to have a baby, especially when most doctors will point them towards IVF as a solution.
While it's undeniable that infertility can be a heartbreaking burden for anyone to carry, that does not justify IVF, which is fraught with numerous moral and ethical issues. Ultimately, as the National Catholic Bioethics Center (NCBC) explained:
The awkward truth for the purveyors of IVF is the fact that we are all embryos who have grown up, and if all men are created equal, then all embryos are human beings, each of whom ought to be unconditionally safeguarded and never exploited.
The NCBC further explained that two issues with IVF are the "collateral damage problem" and the "intrinsic problem."
The collateral damage problem means that in order to achieve one IVF birth, clinic workers may create a dozen embryos, prescreen and transfer several of the “best” ones, discard or freeze the "leftovers", and if more than one implants successfully, selectively abort the additional fetus(es). Those IVF-produced babies who manage to run this gauntlet and cross the threshold of birth still manifest elevated rates of birth defects when compared to normally-conceived babies, another instance of collateral damage.
This high tolerance for collateral damage in IVF clinics and among IVF customers arises out of the intentional prioritization of the desires of older, more powerful and wealthy adults over the rights and needs of voiceless embryonic children. Parental wants are always assumed by the industry to trump their children’s best interests, allowing for grave human rights violations to become “standards of infertility care."
The intrinsic problem is that IVF fundamentally violates the design of human sexuality:
Even if parts of society assert otherwise, sex remains fundamentally about bringing forth the next generation of human life within the stable bond of marriage. Children are not commodities and are entitled to be brought into the world through the loving embrace of the marital act, and within the protective and loving environment of the maternal womb, rather than being manufactured and manhandled under laboratory lights by hired hands in fertility clinics.
Through IVF, we create an "exploitable subclass" — those who, although they are just as human as the rest of us, are unjustly instrumentalized and dehumanized by being brought into the world in a manner distinct from the rest of us. This subclass is produced and subjugated through human craftiness and scheming, instead of arriving as free and undeserved gifts through the bodily self-surrender and fruitful spousal love of the marital embrace.
IVF is not pro-life, and takes far more lives than it creates. In the United States alone, there are an estimated one million embryos left frozen, each one a unique and distinct human person in the earliest stages of development.
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Emma Thompson and Greg Wise tried IVF due to 'deep sense of shame' about infertility
Actor Greg Wise is speaking publicly about how he and his wife, actress Emma Thompson, turned to IVF after dealing with infertility — a struggle which he said made them both feel a "deep sense of shame."
Thompson and Wise began dating in 1995, and married in 2003.
They welcomed their daughter Gaia in 1999; she was conceived through in vitro fertilization (IVF) after the couple struggled with infertility. They then welcomed a son through what they call an informal "adoption" in 2003.
In a new column, Wise opened up about the guilt and grief of their infertility struggles, and how it made them feel like they were not a "proper woman" and a "proper man."
In an excerpt of his new book, "Grief Talking," published by the Guardian, Wise spoke about the couple's experience with infertility, and how the pain led them to pursue IVF for years after having one child, before ultimately "adopting" a second child.
After Thompson's first husband, actor Kenneth Branagh, brought about an end to their marriage after an affair with actress Helena Bonham Carter, Thompson began dating Wise when they met on the set of Ang Lee's "Sense and Sensibility."

Wise wrote that the couple left England for California to escape the media attention:
We went to work in Los Angeles, rented a house there, filmed projects, lived a fun life up in the hills, with a pool, a convertible sports car. Our shape now of a hopeful, creative, unfettered, adventurous, outward-looking, energised couple. But this shape could not last. We had to reshape ourselves to the realities of our lives.
And Emma now divorced, we decided it was time to come back home. After three years together, it was time to settle. It was, we decided, time to start a family.
Then the next grief hit us.
We were unable to conceive. And Emma was fast approaching 40.
Despite wanting a child, the couple found they could not conceive on their own, which Wise said made both of them feel like failures. He wrote that becoming parents is something that people are inherently expected to be able to do:
It is one of those major marking points, the end of one way of looking at life, as it is a death, in a way – a death of a possibility, a death of a new shape that had been expected, and brought both a profound grief and a deep sense of shame in its wake. A shame borne by both me and Emma, as we saw ourselves as unable to fulfill our purest and most natural role in life – to procreate.
We hit an existential crisis – it’s a given, all the stories we had read as children, telling us that girls grow up to become mothers; boys, fathers – Emma was, therefore, not a proper woman and I was not a proper man.
After undergoing testing, they found out Thompson couldn't conceive, and were told IVF was their only option. It was almost immediately successful; Wise wrote poignantly of seeing their daughter for the first time at just "four cells old."
Four weeks before we welcomed in the new millennium, we celebrated the arrival of our beautiful, healthy baby daughter Gaia, whom we’d first seen at four-cells old. Our shape had changed once more: we were now awestruck, doting parents.
They returned to IVF to have more children, but those cycles repeatedly failed. Eventually, they chose to stop trying, which he said was devastating:
The most difficult decision we had yet had to make. No result, nothing tangible, it just stopped. It had failed. Rationally, it was the only decision we could have come to – emotionally, it was untenable. We were dislocated, isolated in our overwhelming grief. I now know we were slipping into complicated grief.
Even though there can be no set timescale for processing, the myriad of feelings within the grief can expand themselves into our void of loss and become a chronic problem. This grief can consume our lives.
The precision of the grief, the focus of the loss, muddies and seeps out and, over time, if not addressed, metamorphoses into major depression. This is where it took us, an overbearing blanket of sadness covering the two of us. And we both felt so alone; we couldn’t address it as a couple, we didn’t seek help together.
They later met a Rwandan refugee and former child soldier, Tindyebwa, whose father had died of AIDS when he was nine, and whose mother and sister disappeared during the Rwandan genocide. He had been homeless as a teenager in England, and Thompson and Wise invited him to spend Christmas with their family.
Eventually, they welcomed him as a son through what they call an informal "adoption," and consider him to be part of their family now.
"The important thing, though, is that he is in our life and we are his family, and that's an absolute truth," she said in a prior interview, adding, "He's serious-minded but very funny too. We laugh a lot. And we talk a lot – we go for long walks to chat, which is lovely ... Gaia was nearly three when he arrived. He became her big brother very quickly – she adores him."
Many couples like Thompson and Wise are encouraged to turn to IVF after experiencing the heartbreak of infertility. And as one study found, Wise's description of their feelings of shame and not being a "proper" man and woman are not unusual.
There is widespread stigma surrounding infertility, both from external sources and from within. The study found that this stigma can cause problems in relationships and make women feel isolated; another study claimed that people experiencing infertility who report feelings of shame and internalize it, instead of working through it with others, report more symptoms of depression and struggle to find meaning in life.
That shame and desperation can lead people to grasp at any chance they can find to have a baby, especially when most doctors will point them towards IVF as a solution.
While it's undeniable that infertility can be a heartbreaking burden for anyone to carry, that does not justify IVF, which is fraught with numerous moral and ethical issues. Ultimately, as the National Catholic Bioethics Center (NCBC) explained:
The awkward truth for the purveyors of IVF is the fact that we are all embryos who have grown up, and if all men are created equal, then all embryos are human beings, each of whom ought to be unconditionally safeguarded and never exploited.
The NCBC further explained that two issues with IVF are the "collateral damage problem" and the "intrinsic problem."
The collateral damage problem means that in order to achieve one IVF birth, clinic workers may create a dozen embryos, prescreen and transfer several of the “best” ones, discard or freeze the "leftovers", and if more than one implants successfully, selectively abort the additional fetus(es). Those IVF-produced babies who manage to run this gauntlet and cross the threshold of birth still manifest elevated rates of birth defects when compared to normally-conceived babies, another instance of collateral damage.
This high tolerance for collateral damage in IVF clinics and among IVF customers arises out of the intentional prioritization of the desires of older, more powerful and wealthy adults over the rights and needs of voiceless embryonic children. Parental wants are always assumed by the industry to trump their children’s best interests, allowing for grave human rights violations to become “standards of infertility care."
The intrinsic problem is that IVF fundamentally violates the design of human sexuality:
Even if parts of society assert otherwise, sex remains fundamentally about bringing forth the next generation of human life within the stable bond of marriage. Children are not commodities and are entitled to be brought into the world through the loving embrace of the marital act, and within the protective and loving environment of the maternal womb, rather than being manufactured and manhandled under laboratory lights by hired hands in fertility clinics.
Through IVF, we create an "exploitable subclass" — those who, although they are just as human as the rest of us, are unjustly instrumentalized and dehumanized by being brought into the world in a manner distinct from the rest of us. This subclass is produced and subjugated through human craftiness and scheming, instead of arriving as free and undeserved gifts through the bodily self-surrender and fruitful spousal love of the marital embrace.
IVF is not pro-life, and takes far more lives than it creates. In the United States alone, there are an estimated one million embryos left frozen, each one a unique and distinct human person in the earliest stages of development.
Live Action News is pro-life news and commentary from a pro-life perspective.
Our work is possible because of our donors. Please consider giving to further our work of changing hearts and minds on issues of life and human dignity.
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